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andrew wood is the green beret who was in charge of security at the consulate and he told cbs news part of his job was to meet with ambassador chris stevens every day to discuss security and he said it's unbelievable to him the state department decreased security, after he says he showed them how dangerous the environment was on the ground. his testimony won't bring back the four americans who were murdered. but the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton says the state department has a chance to listen and learn and save lives in the future. >> the state department shouldn't wait for the conclusion of its own board, i think there ought to be an ongoing process now to try and enhance the security of diplomatic and other official personnel in the middle east and elsewhere. >> reporter: representatives from the bureau of diplomatic security and the state department are also expected to speak at wednesday's hearing. in washington, peter doocy, fox news. >>> sports is up next. unlikely hero emerges for the nats in their first playoff game in franchise history. scott smith is on deck.
andrew wood is the green beret who was in charge of security at the consulate and he told cbs news part of his job was to meet with ambassador chris stevens every day to discuss security and he said it's unbelievable to him the state department decreased security, after he says he showed them how dangerous the environment was on the ground. his testimony won't bring back the four americans who were murdered. but the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton says the state department has a...
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in a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters, 58% gave him the win, compared with 31% for paul ryan. asked who would be able to take over as president, if necessary, voters stayed with the republican nominee. but that shifted significantly after the face-off. perhaps because time and again the president's attack dog in chief showed why he had earned that nickname. >> reporter: they are a generation apart in age. and world's apart in ideology. with that, two phrases were laid down. >> these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney's pays. i've had it up to here with that notion of 47%. >> reporter: congressman ryan was not afraid to fight back. >> romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that quote, i think the vp very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we d
in a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters, 58% gave him the win, compared with 31% for paul ryan. asked who would be able to take over as president, if necessary, voters stayed with the republican nominee. but that shifted significantly after the face-off. perhaps because time and again the president's attack dog in chief showed why he had earned that nickname. >> reporter: they are a generation apart in age. and world's apart in ideology. with that, two phrases were laid down. >>...
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but west bay builders told cbs 5, damage to the tree was unavoidable. rays will love to spend hours in her backyard, now it's just not the same. >> we wanted it to stay up. >> the tree will be removed in the next couple of days and the contractor is expected to pay for damage. in berkeley, elizabeth cook, cbs 5. >>> coming up, it will be one last trip for shuttle bus. this one on the streets of southern california. the one thing needed to get endeavor on the road. >>> 13 to 20 degrees below normal today as far as our highs were concerned. good evening, everybody. the rain is now ending, but the forecast you need to know about as eyewitness news continues right here on the cw. what was grandma's cold remedy? hi, primo! asopao! right, asopao! there you go cuz, so you can sweat it out! oh, and music... ( all ) music? ... heals the soul. the power to share unites us. verizon brings your entire family the savings of the share everything plan. unlimited talk. unlimited text. and data you can share with up to 10 devices, all in one plan. get the 4glte droid ra
but west bay builders told cbs 5, damage to the tree was unavoidable. rays will love to spend hours in her backyard, now it's just not the same. >> we wanted it to stay up. >> the tree will be removed in the next couple of days and the contractor is expected to pay for damage. in berkeley, elizabeth cook, cbs 5. >>> coming up, it will be one last trip for shuttle bus. this one on the streets of southern california. the one thing needed to get endeavor on the road....
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if that's the thing they're gonna do, i mean, i'm not ,,,,,, >>> welcome back to cbs 5. good evening, everybody. i had to share something very special with you. take a look at what they did tonight. in honor of our champion oakland a's, they lit up this huge crane. i know. i want to cry. you gotta think about it. june 30, they were 13 games back. tonight, division champions. thank you for honoring our a's in such a dramatic way. >>> it was only 60 in san jose and 57 in santa rosa with 4/10 of an inch of rain in gilroy. tonight things are settling down. cloud cover, into the 40's and 50's. this area of low pressure that has just been lurking offshore finally beginning to sag to the south. the bands of rain around that low brought in more showers today. i cannot rule out the possibility of a scattered shower early tomorrow morning, according to our futurecast, but overall the day will improve hour by hour. so keep that umbrella handy just in case. by the afternoon hours, 60's beaches, 60's morgan hill. still below average. low 70's at best east of the bay. inland, 66 in sa
if that's the thing they're gonna do, i mean, i'm not ,,,,,, >>> welcome back to cbs 5. good evening, everybody. i had to share something very special with you. take a look at what they did tonight. in honor of our champion oakland a's, they lit up this huge crane. i know. i want to cry. you gotta think about it. june 30, they were 13 games back. tonight, division champions. thank you for honoring our a's in such a dramatic way. >>> it was only 60 in san jose and 57 in santa...
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surveys from quinnpiac university, cbs news and the "new york times" show a dead heat in colorado and mitt romney cutting the president's lead in wisconsin in half. fox' dug luzader looks ahead to tonight. >>reporter: both vice presidential candidates are heading into tonight's debate with some new poll numbers. this is our brand new fox news poll. it shows that joe biden and paul ryan are pretty evenly matched within the margin of error as far as their favorability numbers are concerned, but look at the unfavorables. that's where joe biden tonight has some ground to make up. paul ryan arrives in kentucky for his big night, swarmed by supporters. vice president joe biden is scheduled to arrive later today. this one on one between them is getting a lot of buildup because the stakes are so high after last week's obama/romney debate that may have turned this race on its head. president obama still stinging after what was seen as a weak performance told abc's "world news" last night that biden just needs to be himself. >> you know, i think joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a s
surveys from quinnpiac university, cbs news and the "new york times" show a dead heat in colorado and mitt romney cutting the president's lead in wisconsin in half. fox' dug luzader looks ahead to tonight. >>reporter: both vice presidential candidates are heading into tonight's debate with some new poll numbers. this is our brand new fox news poll. it shows that joe biden and paul ryan are pretty evenly matched within the margin of error as far as their favorability numbers are...
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but first we are going right to cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran on the scene with the very latest. cate what can you tell us. >> reporter: i can tell you that the fire started in the squat and gobble popular restaurant here in san francisco. crews are busy battling flames. there's heavy smoke in the air. this restaurant is completely gutted. it is a complete loss for the building here. i can see already dozens of firefighters here on scene trying to tackle this fire. they have been at it for quite a while. crews say that they got the call right at around 4:00, 4:14 this morning and the fire quickly grew to three alarms. flames were shooting up as high as 10 to 20 feet. heavy smoke in the area and now they have set up a perimeter here along west portal. they have shut down as i was talking about that tunnel over here now. as far as the firefighting efforts are concerned, we are about to get an update from the public information officer to learn more. what i can tell you right now is there are a lot of confused people out here especially morning commuters as they are trying to figure
but first we are going right to cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran on the scene with the very latest. cate what can you tell us. >> reporter: i can tell you that the fire started in the squat and gobble popular restaurant here in san francisco. crews are busy battling flames. there's heavy smoke in the air. this restaurant is completely gutted. it is a complete loss for the building here. i can see already dozens of firefighters here on scene trying to tackle this fire. they have been at it for...
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in a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters taken right after the debate, 50% thought vice president biden won. >> these guys bet against america all the time. >> reporter: other polls gave ryan the edge. >> this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. try to scare people from voting for you. >> reporter: it remains to be seen if last night's showdown will sway voters. his torians say the past eight vice presidential debates had almost no affect on the election. danielle nottingham, cbs news, the white house. >>> mitt romney and president obama's next meeting will be a town hall style in new york on tuesday. then their final debate will take place october 22 in florida. >>> well, the komen three-day walk for the cure is under way. participants gathered r the opening ceremonies and the first leg of their 60-mile journey this morning. the walkers are looking to raise money and make a personal difference in the fight against breast cancer. >> i'm an oncologist in new york. my sister passed away from breast cancer. we're walking in her honor and in honor of all the pati
in a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters taken right after the debate, 50% thought vice president biden won. >> these guys bet against america all the time. >> reporter: other polls gave ryan the edge. >> this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. try to scare people from voting for you. >> reporter: it remains to be seen if last night's showdown will sway voters. his torians say the past eight vice presidential debates had almost no affect on...
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cbs news, washington. >>> the president raised $181 million in september. the romney campaign has not released any september fundraising figures. >>> we are coming up on 6:15. it is chilly in comparison. 46 degrees in the northwest. >> reporter: we were in the 80s a few days ago and 70s on saturday before the front came through. 30s in many of the suburbs. you need a jacket this morning. right now it is dry, so i don't think we have any real concerns, other than a patch or two of fog and the kohler temperatures we are dealing with, with 30s and 40s this morning. this often we are not going to be moving much with highs in the low to mid-50s in the area. we'll be lucky to make 54 degrees in washington. 40s in places like hagerstown, shanendoah valley in dc. you'll notice the raindrops this afternoon. 39 right now, almost 3 a moment ago. 41 in fairfax and 40 in bowie. a chilly morning. we have good visibility, clouds starting to move in wii temperature of 46. a north wind at 9 and humidity this morning 79%. a big chill has moved toward texas. they are going to
cbs news, washington. >>> the president raised $181 million in september. the romney campaign has not released any september fundraising figures. >>> we are coming up on 6:15. it is chilly in comparison. 46 degrees in the northwest. >> reporter: we were in the 80s a few days ago and 70s on saturday before the front came through. 30s in many of the suburbs. you need a jacket this morning. right now it is dry, so i don't think we have any real concerns, other than a patch...
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cbs news. original reporting. >> it's spooky this time of year. >> a lot of spooky stuff. >> not the election. halloween. we're all getting ready for halloween. i'm guessing >> you're a picasso with pumpkins you can come to my house and do pumpkins. >> what do you do? you draw the image first. what do you do -- sometimes my son will draw the circular eyes. >> that's hard with a knife. this is where you make the big bucks. you got to be able to do the artsy stuff. i do zigzag. i like scary teeth. >> scary teeth. >> your thing is scary teeth. we need to have a lower third on our screen that says anthony mason his thing is scary teeth. >> today is national costume swap day. >> great idea. >> i was just reading it. like green america initiative. if every kid swapped their costume we would limit 13,000 tons of waste that would go into our landfill. >> our kids make their own costumes. my son was the joker last year. he bought a cheap suit and he took it out on the driveway and spray painted it purpl
cbs news. original reporting. >> it's spooky this time of year. >> a lot of spooky stuff. >> not the election. halloween. we're all getting ready for halloween. i'm guessing >> you're a picasso with pumpkins you can come to my house and do pumpkins. >> what do you do? you draw the image first. what do you do -- sometimes my son will draw the circular eyes. >> that's hard with a knife. this is where you make the big bucks. you got to be able to do the artsy...
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that's monday at 7:00 on cbs "this morning." >>> and then next week on cbs "this morning saturday" the queen of rock, wanda jackson, what it was like to date the king, elvis presley. i hope you feel better. >> cool lady. >> now encore performance by pianist and singer michael feinstein with a gershwin hit "our love is here to stay." have a great weekend, everyone. ♪ ♪ the more i read the paper ♪ the less i comprehend ♪ the world and all its capers ♪ ♪ and all it will end ♪ nothing seems to be lasting ♪ but that isn't our concern ♪ we got something permanent ♪ i mean in the way we care ♪ it's very clear our love is here to stay ♪ ♪ not for a year but ever and a day ♪ ♪ the radio and the telephone and the movies that we know ♪ ♪ may just be passing fancies and in time may go ♪ ♪ but oh my deer our love is here to stay ♪
that's monday at 7:00 on cbs "this morning." >>> and then next week on cbs "this morning saturday" the queen of rock, wanda jackson, what it was like to date the king, elvis presley. i hope you feel better. >> cool lady. >> now encore performance by pianist and singer michael feinstein with a gershwin hit "our love is here to stay." have a great weekend, everyone. ♪ ♪ the more i read the paper ♪ the less i comprehend ♪ the world and all...
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randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. and we can expect those poll results to change in the coming days as the samples are increased and the polling organizations dig deeper on the impact of these first and only vice-presidential debates. reporting live in danville, kentucky, i'm randall pinkston, back to you. >> randall, it's certainly interesting to watch a lot more sparks in this debate than the presidential debate. what were considered the strong and weak points of the candidate? >> well, after president obama's performance last week democrats have to show they are willing to fight and also defend the president's record. biden certainly did that. for mitt ryan, he had to stand up there with one of the most famous most powerful democrats in the nation his first time out on that kind of stage and he held his own showed a command of issues, showed that he could take apart some of the obama administration's record. meanwhile, vice president biden also did his part to defend that record and show some of the inconsistencies
randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. and we can expect those poll results to change in the coming days as the samples are increased and the polling organizations dig deeper on the impact of these first and only vice-presidential debates. reporting live in danville, kentucky, i'm randall pinkston, back to you. >> randall, it's certainly interesting to watch a lot more sparks in this debate than the presidential debate. what were considered the strong and weak points of the...
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we'll see how it goes. >>> cbs this morning is next. they'll have more on tomorrow's vice presidential debate. >> howard and i will be back in just 25 minutes with a live update on traffic and weather. >>> while at work today or the nats game, get updates on news, weather and traffic by visiting us at wusa9.com. >>> the game is sold out but 9:00 a.m. they do have some standing only tickets. we'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 4:25. go nats!
we'll see how it goes. >>> cbs this morning is next. they'll have more on tomorrow's vice presidential debate. >> howard and i will be back in just 25 minutes with a live update on traffic and weather. >>> while at work today or the nats game, get updates on news, weather and traffic by visiting us at wusa9.com. >>> the game is sold out but 9:00 a.m. they do have some standing only tickets. we'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 4:25. go nats!
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. >> this week on "q&a," 12-time emmy award-winning morley safer discusses his long career with cbs news and his 40 years as a correspondent on "60 minutes." >> morley safer -- how have you changed your approach to information over the last 42 years of "60 minutes?" >> no dramatic difference in terms of reporting the news or doing interviews for the news or, really, even between doing what is construed as hard news versus feature stuff. the same rules apply. you try to get to the core, the core of the individual. i think really that is why we have an audience for the last 45 years on "60 minutes." i think it is precisely why people watch the broadcast. we have no or few access -- i do not think we do any at all. i think we are fair. it is the fairness that is the attraction, unlike some much of what you see on cable, where fairness is the last thing people are being offered. to a certain audience, the last thing they want. >> we have a video from your office -- we took a camera there. i want you to talk us through than what the environment is, how long you have been there. you can see it
. >> this week on "q&a," 12-time emmy award-winning morley safer discusses his long career with cbs news and his 40 years as a correspondent on "60 minutes." >> morley safer -- how have you changed your approach to information over the last 42 years of "60 minutes?" >> no dramatic difference in terms of reporting the news or doing interviews for the news or, really, even between doing what is construed as hard news versus feature stuff. the...
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but the leader of that team, lieutenant colonel andrew wood from the utah army national guard, told cbs this week that shortly after he arrived in libya in february, there was pressure from the state department to reduce the amount of security. we'll hear more from him today since he is scheduled to testify as well. back to you. >> brian: so many facets to this. you have t cover-up, you have what did we know ahead of time? security concerns. people coming forward with no ax to grind, just facts to get out saying security was denied. others saying i knew it was a terrorist attack. others saying now seems like nobody saying the movie individually, that it was the cause. it's going to be a dynamic situation today and the aftermath tonight, tomorrow and the next day, everyone looks to save their careers. >> gretchen: the foreign policy debate october 22 between mitt romney and barak obama, may be the first time we hear the president responding to any of this on the record. >> steve: speaking of presidential politic, let's look at a brand-new rasmussen poll. in addition to polling nationally
but the leader of that team, lieutenant colonel andrew wood from the utah army national guard, told cbs this week that shortly after he arrived in libya in february, there was pressure from the state department to reduce the amount of security. we'll hear more from him today since he is scheduled to testify as well. back to you. >> brian: so many facets to this. you have t cover-up, you have what did we know ahead of time? security concerns. people coming forward with no ax to grind, just...
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again, they began at noon at"meet the press," nation" from cbs. listen to them all on c-span radio. nationwide on xm satellite radio. you can listen on their blackberry, android, or iphone or go online to cspanradio.org. >> on the sixth day after being an office, we were sitting in the oval office. larry summers said, mr. president, looking at this year 's budget, you will have $1 trillion deficit. he said, i have not done anything yet. >> we cannot keep looking our children in the i knowing that we are going to give them a diminished future. we are spending their money today. it is a very simple idea. mitt romney and i will bring it to washington. we have to stop spending money we do not have it. we must cut spending. we have to get a balanced budget. we must get the debt under control. >> paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate. you can watch and engage with c- span with our live debate previous starting at 7:00 eastern followed by the debate at 9:00. your reaction, calls, e-mails, and tweets at 10:30. "washington journal" con
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and you would tell cbs news that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other u.s. security officials on the ground for more not less security personnel, the state department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before a killedst attack and then gautht chris stevens and three other americans. chris wood will appear at a house oversight committee hearing that will lead -- that will look at decisions leading up to the attack on the u.s. embassy. more on foreign policy from the obama campaign. they say mitt romney has a high bar to show he is ready for the responsibility -- responsibilities of the presidency. in remarks to reporters, he says the only person that has defended europe more than it romney is probably chevy chase. the morning -- this morning the mitt romney releases a television advertisement that is timed to coincide with the speech that calls him reckless and amateurish on foreign-policy questions. adding if this is how he handles the world now, think of what he might do as president. meanwhile, in his speech this morning, mitt
and you would tell cbs news that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other u.s. security officials on the ground for more not less security personnel, the state department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before a killedst attack and then gautht chris stevens and three other americans. chris wood will appear at a house oversight committee hearing that will lead -- that will look at decisions leading up to the attack on the u.s. embassy. more on foreign...
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wednesday, october 15, at hofstra university in new york, moderated by my friend, bob schieffer of "cbs news." thank you, senator mccain. thank you, senator obama. good night, everyone, from nashville. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs]
wednesday, october 15, at hofstra university in new york, moderated by my friend, bob schieffer of "cbs news." thank you, senator mccain. thank you, senator obama. good night, everyone, from nashville. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs] [crowd murmurs]
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and wood told cbs that it's unbelievable to him, that his team was pulled out of libya, given the fact that he says he was constantly trying to demonstrate to the state department how dangerous, volatile and unpredictable things were in libya, as for the investigation on the ground, the fbi says they continue to coordinate with the state department, justice department and the defense department it figure out exactly what happened and who was responsible. but remember that the fbi wasn't able to get boots on the ground there for about three weeks after the raid when they'd already left the country. back to you in new york. >> peter doocy, thank you so much for that update. let's get the rest of your headlines now, we have to tell you about the rare fungal meningitis outbreak, seven time have died and 60 others are sick. it's spread across nine states and latest case ins ohio and minnesota. c.d.c. has linked the outbreak to steroids commonly use today treat back pain and those shots have been recalled and doctors fear that thousands of patients may have been exposed to this fungus. we've
and wood told cbs that it's unbelievable to him, that his team was pulled out of libya, given the fact that he says he was constantly trying to demonstrate to the state department how dangerous, volatile and unpredictable things were in libya, as for the investigation on the ground, the fbi says they continue to coordinate with the state department, justice department and the defense department it figure out exactly what happened and who was responsible. but remember that the fbi wasn't able to...
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program has been brought to you in part by aarp virginia, league of women voters of virginia, wtvr cbs 6 and pbs, community idea station. we want to say thanks again to the candidates for appearing together on the stage tonight. we heard a lot about social security, medicare. many of the issues voters of virginia are facing. we want to thank those voters and our live audience for taking part this evening. don't forget, election day is now less than a month away. on behalf of everyone who brought this debate to you, i'm bill fitzgerald. good night. >> c-span is bringing you live house, senate and governor's debates between now and november 6th, including tonight, live from charleston, west virginia, the debate for the state's governor. mr. tomlin won a 2010 special election against mr. maloney. coverage from west virginia starting at 7:00 p.m. tonight here on c-span. and we will have live road to the white house coverage, president obama campaigning in ohio. he will be at ohio state university in columbus at 5:00. we will have that live on c-span and follow that with your phone calls an
program has been brought to you in part by aarp virginia, league of women voters of virginia, wtvr cbs 6 and pbs, community idea station. we want to say thanks again to the candidates for appearing together on the stage tonight. we heard a lot about social security, medicare. many of the issues voters of virginia are facing. we want to thank those voters and our live audience for taking part this evening. don't forget, election day is now less than a month away. on behalf of everyone who...
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wednesday, october 15, at hofstra university in new york, moderated by my friend, bob schieffer of "cbs news." thank you, senator mccain. thank you, senator obama. good night, everyone, from nashville. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] there's no gladhanding like old gladhand
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host: tim is the political reporter with channel 10 of the cbs affiliate in columbus, ohio. daniel tokaji is a professor of law, a native of california and spent the last 10 years at ohio state university. waste tomorrow morning, we examine mitt romney foreign- policy speak at the virginia military institute. the l.a. times interview newspapers discuss the fiscal clef to come up with a solution. the current state of the u.s. housing markets. "washington journal," like every morning starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> coming up tomorrow, a decision on the economy and campaign 2012. the heads of the senior commerce business roundtable and the retail federation look at the most important business issues of this election cycle. you can see a live starting at 8:30 eastern on c-span2. >> said vice-presidential debate live this thursday night. watch and engage. coming up next, the virginia senate debate between former governors tim kaine and george allen. then the debate between senator john tester and his republican challenger john rehberg. then a discussion on religion an
host: tim is the political reporter with channel 10 of the cbs affiliate in columbus, ohio. daniel tokaji is a professor of law, a native of california and spent the last 10 years at ohio state university. waste tomorrow morning, we examine mitt romney foreign- policy speak at the virginia military institute. the l.a. times interview newspapers discuss the fiscal clef to come up with a solution. the current state of the u.s. housing markets. "washington journal," like every morning...
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look at the quinnipiac university cbs news, "new york times" poll in colorado. mitt romney, 67% strong leadership qualities. barack obama 54%. let's go to virginia, 64% for mitt romney, 62% for barack obama. and paul in wisconsin 65% for mitt romney, 59% for barack obama. so clearly in those three battleground states they think romney has stronger leadership qualities than the president does. >> well, that's what comes from having a strong debate. but notice this was a gain for romney much more than a loss for president obama. i think that's really unusual about this last debate. romney helped himself, there's no doubt. he eroded the president's lead, but he didn't really erode the president's position. in other words, people still like the president, they support the president. if the election were held today, he'd still win. it would be a lot closer than a week or two ago. these internals do matter. and it's wise i think we're highlighting strong leader. look at things like cares about me, for the middle class. let's see if what president clinton was saying a
look at the quinnipiac university cbs news, "new york times" poll in colorado. mitt romney, 67% strong leadership qualities. barack obama 54%. let's go to virginia, 64% for mitt romney, 62% for barack obama. and paul in wisconsin 65% for mitt romney, 59% for barack obama. so clearly in those three battleground states they think romney has stronger leadership qualities than the president does. >> well, that's what comes from having a strong debate. but notice this was a gain for...